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Is depression a disease?
Kara Martin
August 4th, 2010

Manufacturing Depression by Gary Greenberg

Is depression truly a disease? What is the basis for that diagnosis? How accurate is a diagnosis of depression? How do we define what "normal mental health" is, so that we can decide what depression is? Do people get depressed, or just sad?

These are very controversial questions, and psychotherapist Gary Greenberg doesn't hold back as he researches the answers. He even chronicles his own journey through depression and the efficacy (or not) of a variety of treatments.

I found the questions compelling, and his story and research very convincing. However, it needs to be mentioned that his experiences are in the US healthcare system; and that there is much more freedom to advertise anti-depressants in the States.

Some of the highlights of Greenberg's analysis:

"¢ The message that depression results from a chemical imbalance in our brain, and is a serious medical condition that can be treated, has saturated our popular culture. It is now virtually unquestionable (except by Greenberg).

"¢ Has depression been manufactured, not as an illness but as an idea? Do we believe we have a right to be happy? Do we think that all suffering, emotional as well as physical, is wrong and should be relieved?

"¢ How can depression be called a disease when the only diagnosis is descriptive; there is no medical test to confirm diagnosis, unlike an infection?

"¢ Greenberg concludes that it is possible that the descriptive tests used to diagnose depression could possibly lead to a diagnosis that the whole world is insane: "an enormous market opportunity for an industry that would aim its magic bullets at insanity."

"¢ One of the problems in getting approval for depression-relieving drugs was a requirement by the Federal Drugs Authority in the US for proof that it was effective with a particular disease. This meant that depression had to be named as a specific illness.

"¢ Depression drugs actually perform poorly in trials, and do not just block serotonin, causing many different forms of discomfort.

"¢ In 2003-4 a group of researchers tested the diagnostic methods of 152 family GPs. The GPs knew they were going to be tested, but not when. The team used actors to simulate two forms of depressive disorder; and they also had two scripts: one where they asked for a drug by name, and the second where they just asked about any anti-depressant. They also had the option of not asking for drugs at all. The results were embarrassing. 31% of the times they didn't ask for drugs, they were prescribed drugs anyway; 53% asking for a specific drug received a script for it; and 76% of those occasions when they asked for "a medicine" were prescribed an anti-depressant. Greenberg points out that when a patient asks for drugs it is not a symptom of depression or any other disease except substance abuse disorder!

Greenberg contends that no matter how good your actors are, or how well you know the symptoms, you cannot fake diabetes. There is a test which a doctor must do, and receive a positive result for, before insulin is prescribed.

He also points out that the rush to prescribe and take drugs insulates us from the roller-coaster of life: the highs and lows, the joys and sadness, the awareness of our own mortality, our weakness and inadequacy, our passions and desires… And medication means we can get on with the busyness of life.

While reading this book I went to visit a friend of mine who had been hospitalised earlier this year suffering from stress. He explained to me that his doctor had diagnosed him with an anxiety disorder and prescribed anti-depressants. They had improved his lifestyle immeasurably. He saw life in colours again, he was able to experience joy, he had become much easier for his family to be with, and he was more effective at work.

It made me realise that whatever the truth of Greenberg's claims, they relate to rapid diagnosis, over-prescription, and negligence on the part of doctors in following through with care. For many, these drugs truly have made life able to be enjoyed again, prevented heart attacks and suicides, and saved marriages.

In his final chapter titled "The Magnificence of Normal" Greenberg ends his journey through depression research with the following comments:

Call your sorrow a disease or don't. Take drugs or don't. See a therapist or don't. but whatever you do, when life drives you to your knees, which it is bound to do, which maybe it is meant to do, don't settle for being sick in the brain. Remember that's just a story. You can tell your own story about your discontents, and my guess is that it will be a better one than the doctors have manufactured.

This is a provocative book, but it is important that this topic is explored, especially as the World Health Organisation predicts that in the next decade depression will be the single biggest health burden on the world.

Greenberg would agree that for individuals feeling overwhelmed, or travelling through deep troughs of sustained unhappiness, the first step is to see a GP; and to ensure that any suggested treatment treats the possible causes as well as symptoms.

 

Elly Byrne    04 August 2010 9:20pm
"The message that depression results from a chemical imbalance in our brain, and is a serious medical condition that can be treated, has saturated our popular culture. It is now virtually unquestionable (except by Greenberg). "

I always wonder about that 'chemical imbalance'. It seems to me that it is like saying that a headache is the result of a lack of aspirin (or similar) in the brain.

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Andrew Mackinnon    05 August 2010 1:49am
I think that depression is the result of not being understood and therefore being isolated. One sends a message out to another person or people in some form of communication and receives no message back affirming that the original message has been understood.

If a person is such that nobody ever agrees with them about anything, the inevitable result, I believe, is that they will become depressed. "It is not good for man to be alone." Being alone is the opposite of being in fellowship. Being in fellowship requires agreement at some level, otherwise there is no fellowship. (This is one of the ultimate purposes of life. The most overlooked treasure is that we who are Christians are temples of the Holy Spirit and can reach out to one another with spiritual hands - we can relate to each other spiritually. That is why small groups are so important, because they see Christians facing each other rather than looking at the back of each others heads in church.) In Amos 3:3, it says, "Can two walk together, unless they are agreed?"

I don't believe that the fundamental causation is that physiological decline causes depression. I believe that the fundamental causation is that isolation causes depression which causes physiological decline.

This is a profound topic, in my opinion, like your recent post on something like, "How We're Working Isn't Working". That post was so profound that I didn't comment on it. As a topic, I found it to be just too enormous.

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Philip Griffin    05 August 2010 2:16am
@Kara, I think it is very important to make clear that those suffering with bipolar (often called depression) and who become psychotic do need to keep taking their medication. I have been involved with people who come off their medication and the consequences have been very serious, even life threatening.

So let's clarify what sort of depression you have in mind.

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Andrew Mackinnon    05 August 2010 3:12am
Actually, my post was pretty simplistic. There are other causes of depression as well, such as somebody blocking a goal one wants to achieve.

Regarding Philip's comment about psychotic people, I don't believe that they need medication, I believe that they need deliverance from demonic possession. The medication is simply acting as the equivalent of a strait-jacket. It is a form of restraint.

I have seen people living on the street who are obviously depressed who don't go around attacking people. So my point is that psychotic behaviour has a different source than just feeling sad about life. In Jesus' day there were a lot of people who were possessed by demons. I don't see why it should be any different now.

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Grant Hayes    05 August 2010 4:25am
@ Andrew,

If a person is in a psychotic state it does not necessarily mean that they "go around attacking people". That is folklore, not fact.

In my experience, those who try to "heal" psychosis via Jesus-like exorcisms are entirely ineffective, or actually exacerbate the problem. Definitely more harm than good.

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Andrew Mackinnon    05 August 2010 4:37am
Hi Grant

Yeah, I see what you mean. I thought that Philip was referring to people who go on a rampage against others but obviously he didn't say that.

In any case, I don't believe that prescription medicine is the answer. I think that this is just masking an underlying cause.

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Grant Hayes    05 August 2010 4:49am
Andrew,

Thee:
In any case, I don't believe that prescription medicine is the answer. I think that this is just masking an underlying cause.


So the cause and answer are...?

If psychosis really is caused by demons, as you "believe", why aren't all the psych wards being emptied by Christian exorcists? Plenty of work there for the "finger of God"...

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James Ramsay    05 August 2010 5:04am
GP's are not trained to diagnose mental disorders to the same standard as a psychiatrist. That many people only have their mental disorders diagnosed and treated by GP's is a failing of the system that wouldn't be accepted for other categories of disorders. Add that to the "doctor shopping" and demand for a "magic bullet" that pervades American (and increasingly Australian) health care and that is the result.

The brain is a machine just like any other part of our body, and it can break down like any other part of our body. I have no idea how some Christians can maintain the fiction that mental disorder is caused by a lack of faith or demonic possession but not apply that same standard to disorders of the rest of the body. The recounts of Jesus' miracles mostly record the healing of "physical" disorder, yet very few people here would find it acceptable to tell a paraplegic that they can't walk because they lack faith.

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Andrew Mackinnon    05 August 2010 5:12am
Grant, you're reading stuff into my post which I haven't said. I'm saying that people who attack people in a psychotic state are often demonically possessed. I accept that there are psychotic states which are not the result of demon possession such as where people have gone through trauma and have disassociated from reality in an attempt to escape the pain.

So, I don't know. Cause of psychosis is trauma. Answer is telling somebody about the trauma you went through who can affirm its damaging effects rather than tell you to "get over it". You need somebody to talk to who will agree that you have suffered harm if that is the case. Answer is asking God to comfort you and heal you by his Holy Spirit. Often the healing process takes years.

Anyway, this blog is not about psychosis, it's about modern depression which is an epidemic. Actually, I think some of the causes are related to Kara's previous article about "How We're Working Isn't Working". Alot of people feel like they're locked into a way of living and working which they don't feel is ultimately going to benefit them or lead them anywhere good. For example, many people are retiring without enough money to live on.

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Grant Hayes    05 August 2010 5:32am
Andrew,

Nice try at ground-shifting. You stated @ #4:

Regarding Philip's comment about psychotic people, I don't believe that they need medication, I believe that they need deliverance from demonic possession.


Not much nuance or qualification there. And when I take you at your word that you believe psychosis is caused by demons, you write (@ #9):

Grant, you're reading stuff into my post which I haven't said.


But you did say it. Having located the fault in me, you proceed to qualify your original bare equation psychosis = demon possession as follows:

I'm saying that people who attack people in a psychotic state are often demonically possessed. I accept that there are psychotic states which are not the result of demon possession such as where people have gone through trauma and have disassociated from reality in an attempt to escape the pain.


You didn't actually say or imply that at all @ #4. A word to the wise: perhaps you should think twice before you press Submit. Backpedalling is so ungainly.

Why am I making such a big deal of this? Because I have seen untold damage done to people's psyches by unqualified statements like yours @ #4. If that's not what you mean, don't say it in the first place.

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Andrew Mackinnon    05 August 2010 5:42am
Grant, if you read my entire post at #4, it's obvious that I was referring to people who are in a psychotic state AND who attack other people. Read the third paragraph.

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Grant Hayes    05 August 2010 5:47am
No, it's not at all obvious. What is obvious is that you've made an ignorant statement and are now trying to evade responsibility for it by claiming you meant something else.

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Andrew Mackinnon    05 August 2010 6:09am
Grant, this is a blog, not a courtroom.

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Grant Hayes    05 August 2010 6:21am
Oops! The demons made me do it...

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Nicky Lock    05 August 2010 11:32am
I am incredibly distressed to see the amount of misinformation that is being promulgated in the comments in the posts on this blog by people who obviously are not experts in mental health and illness. There is a large body of scientific evidence about what depression is, what the causes are and how it is best treated. The first recommended treatment for mild to moderate treatment in Australia is regular exercise and some form of talking therapy. Many of the above comments are incredible unhelpful and hurtful to those who are genuinely suffering from some of the conditions named in these posts. For some real information you would be much better served going to www.beyondblue.com.au. In my counselling practice, i frequently discuss with clients whether they would go and discuss the advisability for taking anti depressants with their GP. Many choose not to, preferring to continue working with talking therapy and other forms of self help including drawing on spiritual resources. At other times, they may decide to live with the grief of this period of their life. But please let's not take people back to an age where they are shamed into not getting the right support, be that medication or something else, that they need for a serious condition that can be fatal.

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Andrew Mackinnon    05 August 2010 10:05pm
It is in the interests of the pharmaceutical companies that manufacture anti-depressants to perpetuate the idea that their anti-depressants are necessary to treat depression. They are making billions and billions of dollars each year world-wide from the sale of anti-depressants.

The reality is that everything the human body needs to function correctly in a physiological sense can be found in proper natural nutrition - whole grains, steamed vegetables, fresh fruit, eggs, fish et cetera in conjunction with purified water and quality natural nutritional supplements to overcome problems with the quality of foods in today's environment. The effect that anti-depressants have by enlivening a person can be achieved through proper nutrition. However proper nutrition is not the magic bullet solution to depression. A person can have proper nutrition and be in good health but without proper relationships and meaningful interaction with other people, they will still be vulnerable to depression. Depression is ultimately about whether a person perceives life to be worth living.

The modern epidemic of depression is ultimately the result of the break-down of community. The proportion of single-person households has been increasing over the last twenty years. This leads to increasing isolation, decreasing social interaction and, consequently, a depression epidemic.

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David Hayton    06 August 2010 5:53am
I agree completely with Nicky - depression is a medical illness and there is plenty of credible evidence to support this. It is actually quite dangerous and irresponsible to suggest otherwise.

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Peter Roach    06 August 2010 8:58am
As a GP I want to make a few comments here. Greenberg's argument that depression does not have a "test" like diabetes and is therefore not a disease is not a great argument since many diseases do not have tests but rely on clinical diagnosis alone (eg: Parkinson's Disease, Alzheimer's Disease).
Medication is not the answer for some forms of depression as Nicky has commented, but is life-saving in forms where there is profound slowing (melancholia) or psychosis (hallucinations or delusions).
I also think there is some confusion here around the term "disease". Depression is a disease in the classic "bio-psycho-social" model of disease as defined for decades now. It has a biological, psychological and social component. Disease has not been thought of as purely organic or chemical for 50 years now. Perhaps that answers Andrew's points. But, to deny the biological component is wrong. Antidepressants do have good evidence for working in the subset I have mentioned.
I hope that anyone reading suffering from depression might not be discouraged by these posts, but know that there is good help easily available. Also that we are all such fragile "jars of clay" (2 Cor 4) - depression is no reason to give up trusting in Christ.

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Matthew Payne    07 August 2010 12:03am
Thanks Peter - that is a very helpful comment.

BTW -the website Nicky pointed to is a ".org" , and not a ".com"
(www.beyondblue.org.au)

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Kara Martin    10 August 2010 6:20am
Thank you everyone for your input into the conversation, which actually typifies why I agonised over reviewing this particular book. Thank you especially for the comments from Nicky and Peter as "experts" in this area.
I would reiterate that Greenberg is typically dealing with the US health system where drug companies can advertise, and there seems to be a greater propensity to medicate.
I would really be concerned if people decided not to take medication prescribed, or decided not to see a GP as a result of reading this review.
There is also the issue raised of how much as a society we want an "instant" solution to all our problems, including the "problem" of sadness.
I agree that the Beyond Blue website is extremely helpful.
I am really glad there has been an opportunity to discuss some of the issues raised in the book, and the conversation needs to continue, with input from experts.
I am going for something nice and light and fluffy for my next blog ;)

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Dave Lankshear    10 August 2010 7:35am
How can depression be called a disease when the only diagnosis is descriptive; there is no medical test to confirm diagnosis, unlike an infection?


Is this actually true? Haven't they just invented new imaging scanners that can 'see' depression or altered neural activity in the brain? Sorry, no link. I can't remember where I saw it. It's in my brain somewhere...

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Gill Evans    10 August 2010 9:38am
Dave, ha ha ha!

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Kevin Goddard    10 August 2010 11:56pm
Dave Lankshear :

"How can depression be called a disease when the only diagnosis is descriptive; there is no medical test to confirm diagnosis, unlike an infection?"


Is this actually true? Haven't they just invented new imaging scanners that can 'see' depression or altered neural activity in the brain? Sorry, no link. I can't remember where I saw it. It's in my brain somewhere...


Try this link Dave :
http://nimh.nih.gov/science-news/2008/imaging-identifies-brain-regions-and-chemicals-underlying-mood-disorders-may-lead-to-better-treatments.shtml

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Dave Lankshear    11 August 2010 12:07am
You scanned my brain to get that link, didn't you Kevin! Get out of my head! ;-)

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