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Archbishop Peter Jensen's Christmas Message 2011 on the centrality of Jesus to human history
More than an afterthought
Michael Jensen
March 15th, 2010

I personally do not know whether the grave was empty or not. The evidence of the texts, the nature of the tradition and the general facts about the way people all over the world rapidly believe appropriate stories to support their religious beliefs leave me wholly uncertain about the Empty Tomb as literal historical fact.
David Jenkins, Bishop of Durham, 1984-94

No tyrant is threatened by Jesus going to heaven, leaving his body in a tomb.
Tom Wright, Bishop of Durham, 2003-

Commenting on the title of last week's post - 'the cross alone is our theology' (the words are Martin Luther's) - a facebook friend of mine protested: 'the cross alone is certainly not our theology! Good Friday was followed by Easter Day - the latter being more than just an affirmation of the former!'

He's right of course (though, in context, I think Luther is right too). A theology of the cross with no resurrection is a gospel of condemnation without forgiveness, of punishment that never becomes atonement, of a human Jesus but not a divine saviour, of a world condemned and abandoned but never redeemed and transformed.

That isn't the gospel of the apostles. Check out Acts, for example. Or look at Paul's magnificent opening salvo to Romans:

.the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendent of David, and who through the Spirit of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.

For Paul, the resurrection of Jesus from the dead means the public declaration of Jesus of Nazareth as the Son of God. That title is not the equivalent of 'God's Son, the second person of the Trinity'. It means that Jesus is the royal son of David now seated on the splendour of God's throne. He is the fulfillment of all the promises of old.

But the term "son of God" also had connotations in the pagan world: it was the title applied to the Caesars. To Greco-Roman ears it would have sounded like a challenge to Caesar; something of which Paul and others made use. The implications of this fill the missionary preaching of the apostles as they forged into the Gentile world. Think of Acts 17, where Paul points to the resurrection of Jesus as confirmation by the creator God of Jesus as judge of all the world.

And it didn't stop there: the resurrection of Jesus in the body supplies the ground from which the NT writers can claim that God has not abandoned, but rather reclaimed the created order from the effects of sin and death, and from the monstrous regimes that assert their power in the world in the present time.

All the ho-humming and tut-tutting by liberal theologians about the resurrection as an internal, personal experience of faith makes the gospel into nothing more than a warm inner glow. But that is not the New Testament gospel. The gospel of the apostles is the declaration of the present rule of the Son of God with power and in the flesh. And it is deeply threatening to those who hold power here and now, because it tells them that their power isn’t the ultimate power.

Here is a genuine alternative Lord, not a shadow.

Sam Allberry    15 March 2010 5:26pm
Amen and amen, Michael!

Here's the test: If the cross could have achieved all you believe it did without Jesus rising again, you are not preaching the apostolic message of the cross. The cross of the apostles was an empty cross, and no resurrection means no salvation.

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Michael Jensen    15 March 2010 6:33pm
Thanks Sam ... and a reminder to other that Sam's great new book on the resurrection - 'Lifted'- has just come out!

Lifted

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Geoff Stephenson    16 March 2010 12:19am
Michael,
A "Gospel" w/o resurrection is *not* a gospel at all. It's just the story of some fool going up against a merciless government. History is littered w failed "liberators" of the people. If Jesus had been merely executed, then nothing would have happened. I say this, because it's through the Resurrection that God declares His power through Jesus. Otherwise Jesus would be Lewis' "madman or liar".

Look to the Gospels and see how the disciples responded to the cross. Where were they? In the temple? The streets or the synagogues preaching Christ Crucified? They were hiding away or leaving town as fast as they could. It was only *after* encountering The Risen Jesus did they go forth and preach The Good News of the “then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”- Acts 4:10,12

My experience of Lutheran Theology places equal emphasis on the Resurrection as the Cross. Seems that it's here in Sydney that news of the Resurrection is finally making making itself known.

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Sean Hogan    16 March 2010 11:19am
Michael,

What practical changes would you make to your life if you woke up tomorrow and realized that you agreed with David Jenkins? e.g.

1. Would you relate to your family differently? Spend less time with them? More time? Abandon them?

2. Would you change your friends? Relate differently?

3. Would you change jobs?

4. Would you go to a different church? Attend less frequently? Never?

5. Would you be less involved in social causes? More involved?

6. What would change about your response to injustices you see in the world?

7. If tyranny came to this country what would you think an appropriate way of resisting it?

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Adrian Warnock    16 March 2010 8:36pm
I couldn't agree more with this post! Sam and I both were studying the resurrection separately and before we had met came to the same conclusion: Christians today uniformly neglect the resurrection in our teaching, our conversations, our thinking, our reading, and our evangelism. It is truly shocking when you think about it. I will arrange for this article to be quoted on the website for my own book on the resurrection "Raised With Christ" (published by Crossway) see http://raisedwithchrist.net

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Michael Jensen    16 March 2010 9:06pm
@Thanks Adrian - and welcome to AMS.

@Sean - it feels like an interrogation! But if the point of your question is, what practical difference does the bodily resurrection make if any, I'd say 'every difference'.

Frankly, I don't think I'd bother with church if I came to the former Bishop's conclusions. Christianity would be an internal sense of spiritual awakening, and not a claim about the history of everything. What's more, the resurrection of the BODY is an affirmation of the goodness of the body. Spirituality isn't a matter of hating the physical, but of hoping for the transformation of the physical... Huge difference, really.

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Sean Hogan    16 March 2010 9:28pm
@Michael,

I mentioned specific (and several) practical aspects of life because it is too easy just to say "huge difference".

If you don't want to seriously address the questions then you should just say so, instead of a vague "I don't think I'd bother with church".

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Michael Jensen    16 March 2010 9:39pm
@Sean - but I am not sure the questions as framed do the job you want them to. Anyways:

Belief in a Jenkins-style resurrection IMHO leads to a disembodiment of spirituality and a tendency to asceticism, to the denigration of the created order. It makes Christianity more like Buddhism (as I understand it). Thus:

1 - personally I think I would stay with my family! But under this kind of view (or neglecting the implications of the bodily resurrection) people have pursued celibacy as a preferred path of spirituality. Family life is a tawdry, messy, bodily, seemingly unspiritual business (most of it is picking up poo as far as I can see!).

2. I think this is possibly true of friends as well - the Jenkins view promotes withdrawal from social life in favour of solitude as more spiritual.

3. I would change jobs - probably because I think my college would like me to leave! But I think I couldn't hold to the Anglican expression of Christianity with integrity and hold to Jenkins' views.

4. Church? Well I am not sure I'd need to bother with it. Church is, as the NT has it, the 'body' of Christ. If Christ hasn't been raised as a body, then I can be much vaguer about when and what and where and who is the church. Maybe it is at home with just me and the cat. Certainly, all the institutional headaches that come with church I would want to be rid of. Too real.

5. Less involved. The earth is passing away.

(cont)

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Michael Jensen    16 March 2010 9:42pm
6. I would care less. Or, the res of the body means I should care more than I do.

7. If Jesus is not raised bodily, then I can not reason that the is a Lord to which even a tyrant is subject. So, one might be tempted to resist by revolutionary violent action. Or alternatively to do nothing and just be passive. The resurrection of the body teaches us that witness of the Lordship of Christ in word and deed is the most effective - and most true - tool against the oppressor.

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Sean Hogan    16 March 2010 10:36pm
@Michael,

Thanks for that. I don't know what a Jenkins style of resurrection is - the main question should have ended with "if ... you agreed with the David Jenkins quote above." It sounds like your answers are applicable anyway.

Would a reasonable summary be that you wouldn't change your family and friends and the way you relate to them (except that you might have more time for them), but you wouldn't be proactive about people and social issues in the world?

Also, I'd be interested in what questions would highlight the practical implications (for your life) of the resurrection.

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Michael Jensen    16 March 2010 10:55pm
Jenkins (and former Perth Archbishop Carnley, and others) DOES affirm a resurrection of a kind. But it is a resurrection of Jesus in the hearts of believers by faith, in their subjective experience, not an objective, tangible and physical resurrection.

I don't think you have a given a good summary. It was hard to separate the personal (reflection on my own situation) from the general (what I think anyone might be prompted to do because of the res). Personally, some of these things I ought to do more that I do now on the basis of the bodily resurrection. If I held Jenkins' view, I would not be encouraged to pursue this 'more'.

Basically: the resurrection of the body directs me to love and affirm and serve the physical and the tangible here-and-now world as good but not ultimate.

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Michael Canaris    16 March 2010 11:05pm
Congratulations on the most succinct summary of RMO I've come across.

NB: this post also allows me to subscribe to comments.

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Michael Jensen    16 March 2010 11:06pm
:-)

Is it that easy to spot?

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Rob Taggart    17 March 2010 12:15am
Michael,
Does not the Hebrew account of creation allow you to "love and affirm and serve the physical and the tangible here-and-now world as good"? The Hebrews were able to affirm this before the idea of bodily resurrection ever hit the scene. In fact, some have argued (including one of the bishops quoted in your post) that resurrection belief was partially a logical outgrowing of this affirmation in the face of martyrdom. So what more does resurrection give? That this present world is "good but not ultimate"?

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Rob Taggart    17 March 2010 12:27am
@Geoff
I find the "Lord, Liar or Lunatic" line of Lewis, at least as it is oft used in contemporary apologetics, to be a false trichotomy. If one does not accept that Jesus was raised bodily from the dead, there are still a variety of other ways of interpreting Jesus' life without resorting to these three options. People can be mistaken without being madmen.

There are many people who have protested against oppressive or corrupt regimes and lost their lives to the cause. This does not necessarily make them "failed liberators". The question is, What kind of "liberator" was Jesus claiming to be?

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Sean Hogan    17 March 2010 2:31am
@Michael,

Thanks for answering those personal questions. Was my summary completely off?

In #11 you say
the resurrection of the body directs me to love and affirm and serve the physical and the tangible here-and-now world as good but not ultimate.


Do you not get that from the life and teachings of Jesus?

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Michael Jensen    17 March 2010 2:07pm
@Rob - yes!

@Sean - yes; and yes, but Jesus is not merely a moralist of course: he is an apocalyptic prophet who speaks of his own death and resurrection.

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Sean Hogan    18 March 2010 10:24am
@Michael,

Jesus is not merely a moralist of course


Of course. No-one would like Jesus if he were just a moralist.
However, I still don't see how a christian without the doctrine of the physical resurrection is essentially different to one with.

You feel your life would be. Others might develop a doctrine of non-physical resurrection and extrapolate it to an extreme position that doesn't look at all like Jesus.

But surely people who keep asking "What would Jesus do" will be much the same?

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Andrew White    19 March 2010 12:10am
Without the physical resurrection, aren't we back in the OT, with hope and longing, but no triumph? For Peter, Paul, and the other apostles, the resurrection proves salvation.

It's one thing to be assured that something must be on the other side. But it's very different when someone goes through and returns triumphant.

By the time of the gospels, it seems clear that some Jewish thinkers had a quite sophisticated theology of resurrection. From that perspective, if Jesus is not raised, then we are not merely lacking proof of salvation, but we are lacking salvation.

A non-risen Jesus basically destroys the central premise, and thus any credibility, of all four gospel authors and Paul's writings. If Jesus isn't raised, go back to Moses and ignore the false teachings of a heretical prophet and his cult.

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Michael Jensen    19 March 2010 12:47am
Thanks Andrew - very well said. I thank Sean too for his ongoing probing and very useful questions - I am only sorry that this week I have been too flat out to attend to them as I would have liked.

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Sean Hogan    19 March 2010 5:57am
Hi Andrew, Michael.

I'm not asking what the difference in theology is.
Also, I'm not asking if someone who is uncertain about the empty tomb is a fool for choosing to follow Jesus.
And I'm not asking which camp has the biggest failures in the christian walk - doubtless there are people on both sides who master the theology and forget about following Jesus, or who fail repeatedly anyway (oh wait, that includes me).


What I'm asking is what the difference is in practise.
Isn't the choice to follow Jesus the same whether one is confident in the resurrection or not? Isn't it sometimes a struggle either way? Won't perseverance in this choice have the same practical result?

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Craig Schwarze    20 March 2010 11:46pm
As I've been organising music lately, I noticed how few good "resurrection" songs we have. We have some fabulous songs focusing on the cross, but a much more limited selection when it comes to the resurrection.

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Adrian Warnock    21 March 2010 7:16am
Have you tried looking at the Newfrontiers music? There are some great resurrection songs coming from the pens of poeple like Stuart Townend, Nathan Fellingham, Simon Brading, and others. See for example http://raisedwithchrist.net/Resources/ where at the bottom I link to some CD's.

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Andrew White    21 March 2010 7:34am
What I'm asking is what the difference is in practise.
Isn't the choice to follow Jesus the same whether one is confident in the resurrection or not?
I'd have to say 'no'. Well, 'no' if your (one's, not Sean's) theology is seen in your actions.

The resurrection is the ultimate (earthly) miracle, which confirms the truth of the gospel. Without the resurrection, the story of Jesus is the story of a prophet with delusions of grandeur: "If Christ is not raised, ... we are to be pitied more than all men". Or, to be blunt, if you don't trust IN (not 'that', 'in') the bodily resurrection of Christ, then you haven't understood the first thing about New Testament theology.

It's time to throw in the towel on Christianity at that point, and look for a revelation from God that has some credibility. Judaism? Maybe Islam? Because, practically, you're a Sydney Swans fan who thinks that he's attending soccer matches every weekend. You're in the club, but you haven't figured out that your thoughts and actions are in completely different places.

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Craig Schwarze    21 March 2010 6:58pm
Thanks Adrian, a few folk have recommended New Frontiers, and I plan to check their stuff out more fully. Got any specific song recommendations?

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Sean Hogan    21 March 2010 9:36pm
@Andrew, you said:

You're in the club, but you haven't figured out that your thoughts and actions are in completely different places.


Could you give a practical example?

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Rob Taggart    21 March 2010 10:26pm
Michael, will you at some point be discussing the life, mission and teaching of Jesus more explicitly? Statements about "the cross" and "resurrection", as important as they are, seem too open to distortion or misinterpretation without the context of his "pre-Easter" life.

Btw, I'm not accusing you of distortion or misinterpretation. But if this issue is not addressed soon in your posts, then I think it is a weakness in your theological approach.

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Andrew White    21 March 2010 11:12pm
Sean,

It's sorta hard to give a practical example, since I'm not talking about practice, but about coherence. Imagine an avowed athiest gladly serving as a Christian missionary. While we might be glad for what he's doing, at some point there's a profound failure to 'join the dots' in his own thinking.

Denying the bodily resurrection has the same effect. You're in effect claiming that the founders of Christianity were fundamentally misguided, yet still building a belief system on their teachings. I can't tell you what difference it "should" make, because effectively the question is "If you believed that Christianity was fundamentally broken, what what you base your life on?". It's just too all-encompassing a scenario to easily point to specific examples, since I'd have to re-build my morality from the ground up before I could answer it.

(I've actually tried in the past, and foundered very quickly due to either historical incoherence (Islam) or moral incoherence (Athiesm))

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David McKay    22 March 2010 12:47am
The atheist serving as a Christian missionary is not as far-fetched as it might appear.

One of my former students proclaims herself as an atheist on facebook, and has announced she is working for the Anglicans in Nigeria, and admits that she sees the enigma.

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Andrew White    22 March 2010 3:49am
Excellent point, David. It's why I find Sean's question so hard to answer: there's possibly a world of difference between "What difference would it make?" and "What difference should it make?".

For all of us, there's a degree of internal inconsistency we're willing to put up with in our belief systems, and a further measure that we're blind to. Sometimes, two views we hold dearly can actually be mortal enemies, and we lack the wisdom to see or the fortitude to respond.

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Michael Jensen    22 March 2010 5:47pm
@Rob - thanks. The last few posts have been merely a rough sketch or preamble - so you'll forgive, I hope, the gaps. All in good time!

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Roger Gallagher    23 March 2010 11:38am
Hi All,

I came across this interview on the Christianity Today website with a Pom called Adrian Warnock, who's written a book called Raised With Christ: How the Resurrection Changes Everything.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/marchweb-only/22-12.0.html?start=1
I don't know if it's any good, but the interview might help Sean understand some of the practical differences that the Resurrection makes to Christians.

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Craig Schwarze    23 March 2010 7:10pm
Hi Roger, Adrian has actually been reading and contributing to this thread. I'm sure his book is excellent... ;-)

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Adrian Warnock    23 March 2010 10:07pm
Craig and Roger, remember the only way to find out is to get a copy and read it ;-) I know it is available in some Aussie Christian bookstores

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Sean Hogan    24 March 2010 12:10am
I think the choice to follow Jesus acknowledges:

1. Moral weakness, impure motives, confusion about what is good, inability to live up to personal or social standards

2. That what we do matters

3. That we can't undo the past

4. That compensatory and punitive justice aren't sufficient for healing (especially for the soul, for relationships, and for a community wounded by people falling out)


It also values the ways that Jesus life and teaching address these:

5. love one another

6. forgiveness - essential for the healing mentioned in #4

7. do not judge. i.e. don't be judgemental, do not condemn

8. point out beneficial and unbeneficial life choices (although if your motives oppose 5, 6, 7 then keep your trap shut).


I'm sure that's not comprehensive, but my point is that the practical aspects of the christian walk are found in the life and teaching of Jesus. I'm not sure what the resurrection adds to this.

For some people the resurrection gives assurance of forgiveness, for others a sense of victory in spite of how life turns out. These may address issues that might otherwise be personal stumbling blocks to following Jesus, but it seems unfair to claim they are more than the "warm inner glow" that is ascribed to followers of Jesus who don't require the resurrection.

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Michael Canaris    24 March 2010 3:07am
Great stuff, Sean. With respect to point #7, I suppose one might add that should one be placed in a position where our use of judgement seems unavoidable, consideration of the Resurrection ought (if possible) incline one towards more clement and restorative modes of excercising it (which also ties into your fourth point.)

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Michael Canaris    24 March 2010 3:29am
I'm sure that's not comprehensive, but my point is that the practical aspects of the christian walk are found in the life and teaching of Jesus. I'm not sure what the resurrection adds to this.
A dramatic vindication and contextualisation of the above? I have to say that some of Christ's ethical teachings strike me as potentially dangerous if abstracted from Christianity as 'universal' principles (to take the "Golden Rule", for instance (a standard trope of Confucians, Theosophists et al), ought a suicidal doctor prescribe poison to her patients?)

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David McKay    24 March 2010 4:05am
I guess everyone knows of [url=http://www.bookdepository.com/]The Book Depository? I note that you could purchase Adrian's book from there for $17.83 post paid, or from an Australian bookstore for about $25 postpaid. [But one store has a reasonably competitive price if you are already in the shop, or already going.]

Also note that Peter O'Brien's commentary on Hebrews would cost you about $72 postpaid from an Australian store, or about $42 from The BD.

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Michael Canaris    24 March 2010 4:16am
Some of my favourite charity and NGO web sites have arrangements with The Book Depository whereby a commission is paid on purchases routed thereby. It might be worth checking one's own favoured group to see if your funds can stretch further with practically no effort or additional expense on one's part.

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