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by Archbishop Peter Jensen
Archbishop Peter Jensen's Christmas Message 2011 on the centrality of Jesus to human history
Single Christian female, 30+
Craig Schwarze
March 10th, 2009

A few weeks ago I wrote a short blog asking how we can better support single women in church, especially those over the age of 30. I was deluged with responses, and it became clear to me that we are not doing a good job in this area. I’ve decided to share just a few of these comments, to help everyone understand the special burdens these women carry, and to encourage us to think about how we can better meet their needs.

Feeling alienated at church was a common experience -

“I used to wonder why a lot of the single women disappeared from church once they reached their mid 30s. I am now at the age where I understand why. I often feel like the freak no one wants to talk to at church…”

“I don’t think there is a conspiracy against singles. I think people just don't think about them, which makes them feel invisible or unwanted because they are in the minority.”

“I don't want to be left standing all by myself after church or have people walk away from me when I try and start a conversation with them.”

Another theme was social isolation -

“It is so painfully lonely not fitting in and feeling socially worthless, particularly when you hear about all the social gatherings that go on, none of which you ever receive an invitation to. It is awful.”

“It is really hard to continue going to church when every week you know you will be left out after the meeting. It is painful watching friends greet each other and give out invites and be all happy and together.”

“I am looking for a little bit of love from my Christian community, but instead I feel like a leper… I never get invited anywhere.”

“People think that you must be busy Friday and Saturday nights, and the reality is, that you’re sitting at home in front of the TV…”

“I have not met any single person in their 30s who is not really hurting… Get to your mid 30s, when all your friends are married, the reality is that while your married friends' social network is rapidly expanding, the single persons' network is rapidly diminishing.”

One woman shared the devastating effect prolonged singleness had on her self-esteem -

“Let’s approach an issue here that hasn’t been raised, which I think makes single people very sensitive and escalates things our problems - our lack of self esteem. [It is] the knowledge that no one thinks I am truly awesome enough to marry. No one finds me sexy. No one wants my love. No one one wants to know everything about me. No one wants to share their deepest needs with me. No one is there to hug late at night when I’m hurting. No one is there to help me out when I need it. No one is there to share the pain of being childless. No one to express my sexuality with, and believe me, I am about to explode from sexual desire.”

This is only a brief selection from well over 100 comments. There is much, much more, so please read the whole thing. Then please think about practical ways you can help these hurting women.

Further Reading

Single Women (my original blog post)

Radical Womanhood (The blog of Carolyn McCulley, single woman guru)

Girl Talk (they’ve recently done a blog series on single women)

 

Stuat Lawrence    09 February 2009 7:20am
my view is we should pray for our anglican primate phillip aspinall and not just adopt a arrogant sydney centric view of the world

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Craig Schwarze    10 March 2009 7:30pm
I'm not sure if this will get a lot of comments or not here - most of the original comments were anon, because of the stigma of singleness. Still, I'd love to hear from people...

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Jeremy Halcrow    10 March 2009 10:18pm
Craig - do you think the situation for single males 30+ is different than for single women in the same age group?

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Jeremy Halcrow    10 March 2009 10:21pm
I guess I'm wondering if its an issue of where men and women place their identity?

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Craig Schwarze    10 March 2009 10:28pm
It seems to be different. Never-married guys I know in their 30s don't seem to be in as much pain as the women are.

Partly it could be because they don't have the biological clock. Partly it could be because single women start to outnumber single men by the mid-30s, and the gap just grows wider from that point on. Partly it could be because they tend to date and marry younger, increasing options again. Partly it could be that they find affirmation in other things at this stage of life.

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Jeremy Halcrow    10 March 2009 10:34pm
Perhaps single blokes are given more areas of reponsibility in church life?

Its hard for single women even to run Bible studies in many churches which are either 'couples' or 'young mums' groups etc.

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Craig Schwarze    10 March 2009 10:40pm
I suspect that is true Jeremy. I've thought for a while that it is easier for an older single man to "throw himself into church", than it is for an older single woman. Not exactly sure why that is, but my instinct and observation tell me it is so.

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Karen Beilharz    10 March 2009 10:53pm
Touching on some of the comments you've quoted, Craig (which were very poignant and made me feel sad for my single Christian sisters, by the way), one way that churches can look after women like these is to be a bit looser about men and women mixing socially. I've noticed it's one of the characteristics of Australian society that men and women tend to be rather segregated. At Bible college, I noticed that, when we went to lunch, if I sat down at an empty table, a gaggle of women would come join me and it would quickly become a 'girls' table. But it would feel weird and perhaps even a bit too forward to sit down at a table with one or two guys, even if they were guys in my year who I knew.

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Karen Beilharz    10 March 2009 10:54pm
I suspect that part of the reason why the culture was so pronounced at college was because of sexual purity, which is a good thing; we want to uphold Christian marriages, etc. etc. But it seemed to be taken to the extreme sometimes. For example, sometimes I would be in conversation with a guy and then his wife would come and put a possessive hand on his arm or something. And I'd think, "For goodness sake, I'm not out to steal your husband. I have a husband! I'm just making conversation and getting to know my brother in Christ. We're in a public place surrounded by a whole crowd of people, and we're talking about Christian ministry/books/culture/theology." It got to be a bit exasperating.

I guess it shows the North American-ness in me; men and women tend to mingle socially a little more freely in the US and Canada.

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Karen Beilharz    10 March 2009 10:57pm
Why is this important? One of your anonymous commenters mentioned having no one to talk to at the end of church. I'm sure she didn't just mean women.

In any case, it's a little harder to talk to women at church sometimes--particularly if they have children. Their attention is always half on their kids (again, a good thing; not a criticism, just an observation). Also, mothers (for very good reason) are sometimes caught up in the whole world of motherhood and children, it can be hard to find points of commonality for single women to talk about with them. One really does not want to discuss babies and nappies for any longer than an hour.

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Karen Beilharz    10 March 2009 10:57pm
Not that I'm saying that that's what mothers talk about all the time, mind you ...

(Sorry, the number of qualifications I'm making in my comments is getting excessive. I think I'll cease rambling now ...)

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Craig Schwarze    11 March 2009 6:08am
...one way that churches can look after women like these is to be a bit looser about men and women mixing socially.

Karen, heaps of women have brought this up, so it's a clearly an issue. Seems that we've become a bit too paranoid with regards to mixing with the opposite sex. Time to loosen up a little...

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Gill Evans    11 March 2009 11:07am
Very helpful blog, and post, Craig. I am an older single woman (much older than 30!). At my current Church I have always felt accepted, but often feel lonely. I know tho, (I did a fun exercise at a "getting to know you" women's event) that many many women, single, married, older, younger, with kids and without kids at Church often feel lonely -They were shocked to hear that I also felt lonely, and also was nervous at the end of Church as to who would speak to me, or who I could possibly speak to. (I "appear" to be so popular, you see)! We all laughed at that moment at the end of Church where we "pretend" to check our bags, or read the bulletin to see who is available to talk to.

I decided a while ago that tho I felt lonely, I actually wasn't. And it was up to me to go and talk to people who most likely were feeling as lonely as me.

I have the privilege of having a couple of families where I am part of the family, and where I can have conversations with men, about a variety of issues. I never attend a single sex growth group, because I like the male point of view.

If I have a problem, I can't make anyone else change. If nothing changes, nothing will change.

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Roger Gallagher    11 March 2009 11:25am
As a single mid-30's bloke, the only time I've felt alienated at a Christian event has been at men's events, either at Katoomba or church retreats. Yes, the compulsory after-lunch talk for men with the two obligatory themes:
1) Avoid porn! (Surely there's got to be other besetting sins that Christian men in Sydney are prone to!) and
2) Be a godly leader of your family! (The fact that some Christian men might not be the leaders of a family has apparently never crossed the speakers of these events.)

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Colin Murdoch    12 March 2009 12:09am
"Out of the divorces, widowhood, the singles bars, clubs, houses, and units, comes a torrent of need, and it is flowing right past the door of our churches…There is boundless talent and creativity in this flood of single adults. The church can help and also be helped.It can give and it can receive. OPPORTUNITY IS THERE! WHAT WILL WE DO?"

"To fail to reach out to single adults is to 'turn our back on' 50.4% of the Australian population…You can turn your church into a club that pacifies and meets the needs of the few, or you can decide to make a difference and live out the Great Commandment and the Great Commission to the Mission Field of Single and Single Again Adults too!"

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Colin Murdoch    12 March 2009 12:10am
"Every group in the church has unique needs and gifts…children, youth, men, women, marrieds etc. Because we have put emphasis on these groups for so long, we have inadvertently forgotten the singles, whom we have lovingly nurtured as children, youth, and developed relationships with marrieds - who find themselves Single Again, and we have led them to believe, we don't expect them to be involved in ministry ever or ever again; perhaps they have contracted that socially contagious disease of being Never Married or Single Again...The apostle Paul said that for ministry it is better to be single! (I Corinthians 7: 25-35)… The purpose of ministry to singles is to help them see they ARE the church. It is time, even PAST TIME, that the church became aware and involved with the numbers of, needs and issues of the single and single-again people all around us. We need to develop a mentality of acceptance, wholeness and MINISTRY TO, FOR AND THROUGH this ever-increasing segment of our society. It is time for the Church to think new thoughts, to be bold and creative as it reaches out."

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Colin Murdoch    12 March 2009 12:11am
"Churches which ignore that Australia, USA, China, India, England, New Zealand, to name a handful, have Single and Single Again Adult Populations over 50%, are failing miserably on a daily basis, in carrying out the Great Commission and the Great Commandment.”

"I HAVE A VISION...MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF SINGLE AND SINGLE AGAIN ADULTS… MOBILISED AND MAKING A KINGDOM DIFFERENCE!"

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Mark Hadley    12 March 2009 12:26am
Hi Colin, thanks for the contribution. You might consider not 'shouting' (capitals) at the rest of the people reading this thread. It's bad form.

Also, if you're quoting from somewhere (your use of inverted commas) it would be better to provide a link. This is intended to be a place for discussion and fairly obvious attempts to circumvent the character limit are going to clog the conversation rather than aid it.

- Editor

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Craig Schwarze    12 March 2009 12:38am
Colin, what practical suggestions do you have for single women in this stage of life? What practical suggestions do you have for churches looking to minister to singles?

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Colin Murdoch    12 March 2009 1:45am
In response to Craig:
1. Identify, network amongst Christian Singles Ministries...Once you feel comfortable make one of them your primary place of socialising and becoming involved!
2.As you develop relationships, you will find out about other Singles Ministries-visit them!
3. Exchange name and phone numbers with people you feel connected-other invites, phone calls, and often deep personal friendships will result, increasing confidence, self-esteem, and walk with God!
4. Attend Singles for Christ "Making A Difference" October 2-5 3 night long weekend Singles Happening/Conference at Waterslea Centre Nowra...Many have found our previous 12 Conferences, a Turning Point or Life Changing! Posters and Brochures sent out recently to every Anglican NSW/ACT Parish.
5. Get involved or continue your involvement in your local Parish using your Purpose, Passion and Giftings-speak to your Minister or Church Leader.
6. Invest some time and money in yourself with some counselling-you deserve it!
It may help you with direction, an action plan and moving forward with some options!
7. Singles for Christ is happy to help Parishes commence a Ministry to Singles.
Phone us on (02) 9631 3414 weekdays 9am-9pm.
Singles we would be happy to send you a brochure or complimentary first newsletter!

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Gill Evans    12 March 2009 9:22am
Hi Colin, this sounds like:
1. you are advertising your group on this "no advertising allowed" forum and
2. You believe that a person can't be single (successfully)unless involved in a Singles Group, and every single needs counselling or that every Parish needs a Singles Ministry

Apart from that, a couple of the practical suggestions - esp. No. 3 was helpful and apt.

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Colin Murdoch    13 March 2009 1:03am
Gill,
First,nowhere in my posts have I said or inferred that every single needs counselling-I simply suggested counselling as an option for those going through the stage of life referred to by Craig in the article...

Second, nowhere in any of my posts related to this discussion or anywhere else, have I said or inferred that I believe to quote you:
"...that a person can't be single (successfully) unless involved in a Singles Group,..."
I made some practical suggestions for Christian Singles to move positively forward and consider seeking out some Christian Singles Ministries.
3. Third, nowhere in any of my posts related to this discussion or elsehwere, have I said or inferred that what you said: "...every Parish needs a Singles Ministry," because I haven't said it, and part of our vision for reaching out to single and single again men, women and their children; does not have this as part of our strategy and vision!

So, I don't know where you come up with these thoughts...

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Georgina Barratt-See    13 March 2009 9:23pm
Ok, here goes. I'm a single 30-something woman, church-going, God-fearing. Coming out to speak out. I'm a bit scared!!

My post is divided into two areas:
what others in the church community can do to help us feel less isolated and lonely
what we, the singles, can do

Others:
First of all, don't label us as single. We are your brothers and sisters in Christ. We aren't faulty, dysfunctional, or undesirable, any more than anyone else is in our church family, just because we happen to be single.
Please don't ask if we're seeing anyone. We aren't. Otherwise we would tell you. Or we would tell you when we're comfortable about it.
Please don't assume that we are raging party animals that would be busy. Invite us places, invite us on holidays. We are often at home on Friday and Saturday nights by ourselves.
Please don't bore us with tales of poop. And nappies. And breastfeeding. We will ask if we're interested. I know it's all consuming for you, but for us, it's either boring, or it's painful, particularly if we desperately want children.
Please don't assume that because we're female we don't have sexual desires. We do. We just try to avoid thinking about it (see below).
Please don't assume we have chosen to be single. Many of us have just not had the opportunity to get married. It doesn't mean we have chosen singleness, it has chosen us.

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Georgina Barratt-See    13 March 2009 9:24pm
Please don't assume that we want to be set up with someone. But we might. Why don't you just ask, instead of inviting that “nice young man” over on the same night as us.
Sometimes we want to come over to dinner to be with you, rather than you and the other people you've invited to “make up numbers”.
Please invite us on holidays, if possible. One of the nicest things my married friends D & L ever did was invite me to be part of a holiday with them and some other people. It was a fantastic holiday.
Please remember that, even if you think women shouldn't be leaders of mixed groups, some of us have to be. When we have great managerial gifts, and need to earn our own income to save for our own house, and we are managers, then yes, we have to lead people. I have a friend (a very godly Christian friend) who thinks that women shouldn't be leaders. Maybe, maybe not. But it's a fallen world, and those of us who can't earn an independent income any other way might have to be managers.
Please, include us in your life. My morning church is very good at this. I'm invited over to lunch, to the pool party, to the afternoon tea. We want to be with you – just because we're single doesn't necessarily mean that we don't want to hang out with you and your family
Please ask us to babysit. We want to help. We often have the time. Sometimes we really enjoy it. I have certainly enjoyed hanging out with my friends' kids with just me and them.

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Georgina Barratt-See    13 March 2009 9:25pm
Please don't tell us to “get a job”, “get a degree”, “get fit”, “get a pedicure”, “wear makeup”, “don't wear make up”, “wear jewellery”, “dress nicely” to “get a man”. It's condescending, and mostly, it's just plain wrong. What man has asked a girl out because he likes her make-up application? One of the couples I know both wore tracksuit pants to their first date. There are all sorts of people, who like all sorts of other people, for mysterious and sometimes weird reasons.
Please don't assume that we want to be with your husband. We mostly don't. Occasionally, we do. But it's also up to us and them to be aware of those situations – I've only ever met a few men that I would want to date, if they weren't already married. But they are. So I just try to avoid them, except when they're with their wives.
Don't sit in church rubbing each other's backs in front of me. It's icky. And it reminds me there's no one to rub my back. Be sensitive with your displays of affection. Perhaps you don't have to sit together in every service. Perhaps!
People of the same sex as singles – please hug them. We don't get hugged very often.
Please be sensitive of the “Congratulations” announcements. Yes, it's great the couple x and y are engaged. Or yes, it's wonderful that couple a and b have had their child. But things like this are hard for us, who aren't engaged. Who don't have a child. Be sensitive please.

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Georgina Barratt-See    13 March 2009 9:26pm
Okay, singles, here goes.

Express your loneliness to others. Ask them to include you in things. Be willing to help out with the babysitting, and reap the benefits of the relationships.
Don't sit there (too often!!) complaining about being single. I had a friend who for years complained about being single. Then she found a guy and got married. Now she complains about being married. Be content. Or try to be.
Acknowledge the grief and the feelings of low self-esteem because you haven't felt or been wanted. Acknowledge it, and then accept it. Try to move on. I know, I know. It's hard. I have to do it too. But this is a fallen world. And we, to use a cliché, all have a cross to bear.
Acknowledge that you are not your relationship status. You are a person, beloved by Christ, befriended by brothers and sisters in Christ. You are more than a single person. You are a person, who happens to be single.
Use the singleness for good, not evil. You may have more time to help out at church and community things. So do it. If you don't, because of your job, other commitments, or whatever, don't feel guilty. Just do what you can. You are the best determiner of that.
Embrace different opportunities to get to know people. At my new job, I've joined the Weight Watchers group, the staff choir, the staff bible study, the student music group, the student diving club. You can make friends with all ages and circumstances. Work out what you're interested in, and get out there.

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Georgina Barratt-See    13 March 2009 9:27pm
Make the effort sometimes. Organise an event. Yes, it doesn't have to be every weekend, but step up and invite people somewhere. Or invite yourself over, and bring dinner to a couple with kids. Try hard to step out of your comfort zone. And ask others to include you in things. Sometimes they just don't realise.
Like any Christian should do, examine yourself. Repent of your sins. Work on your flaws. Seek to live out a godly life.
Consider other forms of companions. I love my animals. They are company for me. So what! I like them.
Embrace invites enthusiastically. Even if you aren't sure that you'll really like the movie, go anyway, because it's a new experience. Don't sit with your head in the sand not doing anything pro-active. I recently saw “Watchmen” because I was invited. It was, well, interesting. But it was something different. And it meant I had something on on Friday night.
Be careful watching Romantic Comedies. I'm not saying don't watch them, I'm just saying be careful. Watch them with your heart and mind wide open. Acknowledge that they are not real life, and that having a special someone is not all life is, and should be.
Get to know married people. Acknowledge that it isn't a bed of roses being married. It's not greener, it's different.
Have some nice stuff too. When I turned 30, I asked people to give me nice things. I'd been to their weddings, and bought nice things for them. So I asked. And they did. And now I have nice things too.

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Gill Evans    13 March 2009 9:36pm
Thank you Georgina, - insightful comments....

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Craig Schwarze    13 March 2009 9:37pm
Thanks George, that took guts, I'm sure everyone will find it helpful...

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Georgina Barratt-See    13 March 2009 10:21pm
I forgot to say: Carpool! Since I got a car, I have lost some moments of friendship. And it's tough going to a wedding where you know very few people by yourself. Or any event like that. Look out for us. We'll probably be talking to you, people we know vaguely, because we don't have anyone else to talk to. When you have a partner, there's someone there. Our someone is not there. We need you to be there, if you can.

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Benson Lau    17 March 2009 4:22am
I got to say... does this attitude stem from not having the fruit of the spirit like it says from Galatians 5?

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Gill Evans    17 March 2009 7:10am
Which particular attitude are you meaning Benson?

I don't think I see any attitude except the fruit of the spirt in any of the comments, really, if they are taken as a whole, and not out of context.

All of the posters (it seems to me, anyway),to be seeking the fruit of the spirit in the outworking of their lives. This topic is helping to answer a question about how the church can best be helpful for those who are over 30 (male and female) and single. Nothing to do with not having the fruit of the Sprit. that is an issue everyone faces when faced with lifes challenges.
Gill.

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Benson Lau    17 March 2009 12:04pm
Social isolation & alienation? They are definitely not things we should be accepting as Christians...

It comes from us not loving our neighbour as ourselves, coming from a lack of compassion, lack of kindness, lack of caring, etc. This is the attitude i am referring to.

An attitude that needs to be rectified. We need to ensure that we are inclusive in all our conversations. Why? To show that you care for the person. We need to ensure that activities are inclusive. Why? To show that we love the person. Etc...

Also i agree with Georgina... is not jealousy a fruit of sin? Let single women socialise with brothers and sisters... as long as temptation is not overwhelming.

Programs work to a degree... but the underlying cause is a lack of spirit amongst members of our churches (myself included). I would rather speak with someone i know... than trying to get to know that newcomer...sometimes i repent... sometimes i don't...

I apologise if my comments were not clear that they were directed at ourselves in these churches that the 30+ single woman feel alienated at.

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