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Who Jumped The Queue?
David Mansfield
October 11th, 2011

I had an inglorious, undecorated, involuntary and very short military career.

Although it was almost 40 years ago I cannot forget one incident. I was on a training exercise in the mountain ranges west of Sydney. We had stopped our war training and queued up for hot drinks and high carbo’ army ration biscuits. 

I was near the end of the long line of hot and hungry, tired and thirsty ‘birthday’ soldiers pouring strong tea into mugs and heaping in loads of sugar.

When my turn came I used up the last of the sugar, much to the disgust of the supervising officer behind me in the queue. He looked hard at the empty sugar bag and then fixed his narrowed gaze on me as I was stirring my tea.

When he was sure my wallaby-scared eyes were locked in the headlights of his very black, in fact, all-black glare, the words came out like sniper fire. “You %$#!” he snarled. And then he turned his back and walked away.

I trudged away, having lost my desire for the steamy sweet tea, looking for a bush I could crawl under to grieve over my greed and decry my impending dishonourable discharge. He was right. I hadn’t thought of those behind me in the queue. I had only thought of me.

The word ‘greed’ has all the feel of foul language. More multi-syllabic words like selfishness and self-indulgence soften the blow – a bit.

But greed? Me? You? The Yanks maybe, but good old egalitarian, be there for the other bloke, one for all and all for one, Australians?

God’s word, not surprisingly, has lots to say about this gutsy, gritty five-letter word. And it’s not pretty.

 

·     A greedy man brings trouble to his family (Proverbs 15:27)

 

·     Be on your guard against all kinds of greed (Luke 12:15)

 

·     No immoral, impure or greedy person has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God (Ephesians 5:5)

 

If a country represents 4% of the world’s population but consumes 25% of the world’s resources (even with a vulnerable underclass), is there a greed problem lying behind the rhetoric of truth, justice and liberty?

But I don’t want to pick on one country, for that’s not the worst of it. If 2% of the world’s population consumes 50% of the world’s resources, and 10% consumes nearly 90%, doesn’t common sense say that it is unsustainable and downright unconscionable?

Here in Australia, if your assets (property, big ticket consumables like cars, hobbies and household wares, shares, superannuation) total $61,000, you are among the richest 10% in the world; and if your assets total $500,000 you are among the richest 1% in the world. Most Australians are in the top 10% and most baby boomer middle-class Australians, like myself, are among the richest 1%.

Seems that property takeover by boat people back in ’88 (1788, not 1988) proved to be very rewarding! Oh, for the days when it was fashionable to be a boat person.

Weren’t our forebears lucky, and weren’t we lucky that our forebears were lucky, to have been near the front of the queue when the sugar bag was big and bulging and before anyone realised that there was or would be a queue or that the sugar bag may not have been infinite?

Or did our forebears jump the queue with some help from the technology of the time. Gunpowder will always gazump a spear. Didn’t you hate people pushing in to the tuckshop queue at school and don’t you hate it in heavy traffic?

On an Australia Day a few back Michael Leunig posted a very poignant cartoon in the Herald. The cartoon was captioned THE BIG DAY OUT (as band festivals held in our cities on that day go by that name). Leunig drew two figures, one scantily clad holding a spear, and the other in British uniform pointing a musket menacingly at the first figure and yelling “GET OUT!”

But, is it now possible that the sugar bag is getting low, that the sweet stuff is running out?

Is it possible that we are ignoring those behind us in the queue, even our own children and grandchildren and the grandchildren we hope our children will have and enjoy as much as we enjoy them?

Is it possible that we are not only ignoring those behind us in the queue, but those beside us in the queue, who, hang the sugar bag, would be happy to have their tea straight or with just a dash of milk?

Is it possible for the 10% of us gorging on 90% of the world’s resources to ask, “Can we stop this madness?”

Is it possible, for example, and just for starters, to cut our consumption by 5, 10, 20, or in some cases even 50%, and give that percentage to help the world’s most vulnerable people?

Is it possible to replace the ugly face of greed with some big bulging spoonfuls of grace and generosity to those behind us and beside us, those our forbears pushed in front of, and those who have come later than us to the queue? Not to mention those who are queue-less.

Dam the greed and let grace flow!

 

 

 

 

Andrew Mackinnon    11 October 2011 7:19pm
It's not about resources. It's about truth. Even with the seven billion people in the world today, there's still enough for everybody. It's just that there is obviously systemic inequality all over the world.

The problem in the world today is that the majority of people in the western world are more interested in pursuing their own personal welfare than finding out the truth of what is going on in the world around them. That is why they operate inside of a bubble and can be manipulated by the mainstream media. That is also why the church in the western world operates inside of a bubble and has little influence in the world - the church doesn't understand what is happening in the world, nor is it interested in finding out.

I don't fault anybody for working hard to provide for themselves and their family and building up wealth. We are living in a hyper-competitive environment that has largely been created by government policy and globalisation over the last 30 years. In such an environment, that some people obtain wealth through hard work while others miss out is unavoidable.

What I do fault people for is pursuing their own welfare in a bubble without any desire to find out what is really happening in the world. At the rate we are going today when this kind of bubble-approach is at epidemic levels (epitomised by the Baby Boomer generation), the west is not going to recover and nor is the rest of the world. We are drowning in lies. The next thing to look forward to will be the return of Jesus Christ.

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Robert James Elliott    11 October 2011 10:16pm
David: your canteen officer clearly had no idea what he was doing.

First, in the British armed forces such as Australia, officers eat last, after all the enlisted personnel have been fed. The Canteen Officer should know this and not expect junior soldiers to go without so he can have his sugar ration.

Second, if the unit was so badly resourced that your tea was make or break, then the Canteen Officer/Quartermaster were very poor at their job.

The leadership of your unit was disorganised and poorly served you. Contrast these leaders with the Centurion in Matthew 8 who came to Jesus on behalf of his servant. Now that is leadership and concern!

RJE

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Stephen Davis    18 October 2011 4:59am
David, please forgive me if I am wrong or I am misinterpreting your article but you seem to be implying that anyone who lives in the West and has some wealth or ownership of possessions is potentially greedy and self indulgent and then out comes all this talk about 50% and 90% of the world's resources - so what is your point? That we should all move to Africa? Once again, I apologise if I am wrong and tell me if I am but all I can see in this article and a few others you have written before is this morbid implication that if you are a Westerner and you own anything then you are somehow indirectly responsible for the poverty plight of the rest of the world. Then there is that comment about 1788 and the takeover by boat people whom I might add that my ancestors were, so what should I do David? Pack my bags, denounce my Australian citizenship and go back to Wales where my forebears came from? Perhaps that will salve my conscience?

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Robert James Elliott    18 October 2011 5:05am
Stephen: good question

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Stephen Davis    18 October 2011 5:13am
Thanks Rob, these types of articles really get up my nose, especially when they are written by Christians! Nobody will dispute David's comments about the concept of greed, and we are all in the same boat as far as that goes, but if he wants to write an article about it then I think a bit more constructive objectivity will certainly help his cause immensely.

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Kim Reid    18 October 2011 8:44pm
Stephen - I think the point of the statistic's quoted in the above article is to show that if you own stuff and live in the Western world then, merely by virtue of being born into that position, you (I, we) are greedy. That's the picture the basic statistics paint.

I don't know you personally so I'm not sure what your consumption is like, but those statistics challenge me to assess how much I consume in daily life, and where I should curtail my lifestyle.

Articles like this are refreshing and challenging - especially when written by a Christian.

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Robert James Elliott    18 October 2011 9:52pm
I agree that Christians should not live lives of indulgence and mindless consumption. However, I am not sure that many practising Christians do – no church visit is complete without justifiable requests for funding of church, charitable and missionary works. At my Church, I encounter numerous younger people (20s-30s) who are struggling to save for a deposit on their house. Endless questions about “when are you getting married” are answered by “when I can afford to”. Property prices have increased absurdly, causing many Christians who would marry, settle down etc, to delay marriage and family formation, even where both have good jobs. Christian leaders would do as well to focus on ‘their flock’ and how they expect to have new generations of Christians if their young ones cannot afford to marry and buy a home. There is enough economic struggle here.

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Andrew Mackinnon    18 October 2011 11:04pm
Robert, that was well said. Your point in your last two sentences is superlative.

I don't know where everybody got this idea that Australia is the land flowing with milk and honey. It doesn't match up to anything that I've experienced in this country in the last twenty years since the "recession we had to have" in 1991 (that profited the banks with interest rates in excess of 15% while the citizens struggled like drowning people to make their mortgage payments). This country has serious structural problems (eg. housing affordability as Robert indicated).

Sure, it's possible to make alot of money in Australia if you become a corporate drone and devote your life to a limited liability company that can discard you as it pleases, but who wants to do that? What about starting a business? Yeah, go and knock yourself out if you want to deal with all of the red tape that's been set up to monitor your every move.

Lastly, we're a nation of 22 million people. What exactly are we going to offer the 3,500 million people in Africa, India and China (ie. 1.0 + 1.2 + 1.3 (respectively) = 3.5 billion) in material terms? They outnumber us by about 170 to 1.

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Kim Reid    18 October 2011 11:27pm
Robert -

The 'economic struggle' of young people in Sydney to buy a house can hardly be compared to that of people living in conditions of poverty.

I think part of the problem many young people find themselves in today is influenced by status anxiety. Housing is much more affordable in rural parts of Australia, and even here in Sydney there are alternatives. I don't hear many people who are in this situation seeking to live within (or below) their means, rather they see large homes, overseas holidays and fine possessions as necessary. Perhaps ministers could address this problem.

If more people in Australia lived within their means, rather than getting restrictive mortgages, they would have more money to give to others, thus working against greed.

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Andrew Mackinnon    18 October 2011 11:41pm
Hi Kim

> Sure you can live in a rural area but are there jobs there? Also, do you propose that the churches encourage all their young people to leave the city for the bush? That's a pretty big dislocation.

> What are the alternatives for housing that you allude to? Renting is not an alternative. Long-term renting has a transience about it that is very disconcerting for anybody. When you rent, you are absolutely beholden to your landlord. It's a feudal arrangement.

> No, you are absolutely wrong. It's not status anxiety at all. Young people are struggling to even make it on to the lowest rung in the property market.

> Do you really think that giving paper money (fiat currency) to other people is the solution to the world's problems? This is a common line of thinking that originates from the economic system that has been constructed as our prison. We need to get back to understanding what the real source of prosperity is - land. Out of the ground comes food, timber and minerals. Paper money (fiat currency) is not going to solve any of the world's problems. Rather, the fact that all money issued in the Western world (and in most other countries) is issued as debt, together with fractional-reserve banking (which is fraudulent), is the source of much of the economic turmoil in the world today.

This article and the responses that it's generating such as yours is turning into what looks like a brainwashing exercise on behalf of the church. Does anybody really think that I don't have previous experience with brainwashing exercises in the church in years gone by? For example, why is it that God created human beings with amazing physiology of great beauty. However, the level of physiological well-being in the church (comprising the foundational elements of nutrition and exercise (ie. muscular and aerobic or muscular and cardiovascular)) has historically been far below its potential. And why is this? Because, historically, according to the church, taking good care of oneself is vanity or narcissism.

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Robert James Elliott    19 October 2011 12:37am
Kim: I am responding to the point being made about Christians, few of whom live lives of status anxiety or social climbing. Many young Christians – like others in their demographic group – want to own their own place and provide a home for their children. They also want to, understandably, live in the same city as their parents and relatives, a desire to maintain family relationships that Christians should also support. Suggesting any aspiring home-owner should just move to the country is, with respect, not a serious suggestion. Few Christians I know have expensive overseas holidays, especially if they have children.

As for the Mrs Jellyby solution of everyone reverting to peasanthood so as to somehow “help” the world’s poor, this is also unserious. The rapid rise in world living standards, especially in SE Asia, has resulted from increased trade and capital flows, not because of the 1st world going herbal and hemp, and living in tents.

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Kim Reid    19 October 2011 1:03am
Andrew

There are jobs available in rural areas. I don’t think every young person should leave the cities, but those who are struggling to afford to live there could consider it a possibility. Imagine what a blessing it would be to struggling country churches if young people from well- resourced churches in Sydney moved into their town.

The best alternative is simply less. Consuming less of everything, which would also contribute in a small way to some of the problems raised in the original article. For those who can’t afford to buy a home in Sydney then renting has to be an option – as would be living with friends or family, purchasing a home with another party, or purchasing later in life.

It is status anxiety. Owning a home is not a precursor to having a family (as Robert suggested). Is it viewed that way because that's what everyone else seems to think?

I don't know what the solutions to the world's problems are. I do know that giving something to someone who has less than I do helps a little, for that one individual. You mention that loaning money is not the solution – neither is it for young people in Sydney, unless they can reasonably service that debt.

Finally, I certainly wasn’t brainwashed by attending Anglican churches in Sydney or by using this website, as you suggest.

The health problems you allude to are often brought about by over-consumption. The good things God has given us can be enjoyed in moderation - what God’s word recommends.

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Kim Reid    19 October 2011 1:11am
Robert -

There are many Christians who struggle with status anxiety, I am basing everything I say on observations of my Christian peers and my own heart.

If people can't afford to live in Sydney then somewhere outside of the cities is a good option, or there are other alternatives.

As an aside, please don't align me with Mrs Jellyby. I'd much rather be like her daughter, Caddy, who knew how to think for herself. But she also knew how to listen to and be chastened by sensible people around her, like Esther Summerson. From my study of Dickens, he uses the Mrs Jellyby archetype to criticise the parochialsm of the developed world's view of poor people, not living a frugal lifestyle.

And I am not suggesting anything 'hippy and hemp'. Just less - smaller homes, smaller cars, holidaying locally, less food thrown away, less hobbies, utilising a local library instead of buying books and dvd's, more sharing of possessions, less clothes, less appliances etc etc.

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Andrew Mackinnon    19 October 2011 2:59am
Kim, the reason it's important to own a home once you're married is because life simply works much better that way. When I was 18, I couldn't see the logic in committing to a mortgage because I had zero life experience and nobody twenty years older had bothered explaining to me what works best.

If anybody wants to get married and uproot themselves every two to three years, that's their decision, but I know what renting is like and I wouldn't want to rent when I'm married. There's also this: Women in Sydney don't want to marry men who can't afford a property. They don't want to commit to a relationship in the context of such uncertainty, which is understandable.

Financially, renting is a road to nowhere. The whole idea of retirement is that your property is paid off so that you only have to finance your living expenses. People who arrive at retirement while still renting have a difficult time. Some run out of money and die prematurely.

When I attended an Anglican church in the 1990s, I remember a talk where we were told of the joy of going and living in Green Valley away from consumerism in a fibro house with deep commitment to the person who we're married to. Um, okay. And what exactly is the point of doing that? Christians need to get over themselves and realise that being wealthy is not a sin. Job was wealthy and he was the most righteous man in all the land.

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Stephen Davis    19 October 2011 4:29am
Kim, in reply to your comment number 6 - "the point of the statistic's quoted in the above article is to show that if you own stuff and live in the Western world then, merely by virtue of being born into that position, you (I, we) are greedy. That's the picture the basic statistics paint." Personally, I find that statement (not yours, but the implication, if correct)quite absurd, this is like implying that all heart attack victims must have been heavy smokers and so they deserve what they get which is just ridiculous. The original intention of my first post was to point out the silliness of some of David's comments, there is nothing wrong with him pointing out greed generally but to try to imply that people who have anything of substance to their name are basically greedy is just silly, I cannot find any other word to describe it! As for you, if you can live very basically then good on you but that does not put you or anyone else like you in position where you can chide everyone else because their lives in a material sense are different to yours, what evidence do you have to suggest that you are one of the few in the church that are challenged by these statistics to curtail your lifestyle? I will tell you right now, that apart from supporting a family and paying bills and working, the so called greedy consumption by both my wife and myself amounts to very little, we cannot afford to be greedy consumers because we just do not have the money to! With all respect to you Kim but I have to say this - I think that both Robert and Andrew have a far more realistic grip on economic reality and it's impact on ordinary Australians than you and David appear to!

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Robert James Elliott    19 October 2011 8:43pm
I do not want to pile on to Kim. She is entitled to her view. My concern is just that few if any Christians I know spend their time keeping up with the Jones or the Kumars or whoever, and instead give enormously of themselves for others. It is all well and good to say that they should not want to live in Sydney, but if you have older parents and relatives, then you want to be close to them, which is a Christian duty (and Sydney's road and transport system is so bad that if one is not close, then one may as well live in Perth).

I sincerely admire Christians who live the whole herbal, organic, "go gently", house church lifestyle. I just think its unrealistic for everyone. I especially think those doing this subsistence living should avoid the sin of pride as much as others should avoid the sin of greed.

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Stephen Davis    19 October 2011 8:50pm
Robert, I think your last comment is realistic, practical and it oozes common sense! You are not piling on Kim rest assured. On a brighter note, I just came back from Perth and if you have not been there, then I would strongly recommend you pay it a visit. All the best mate.

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Kim Reid    20 October 2011 1:41am
Guys,

Nothing I have written is intended as a personal attack on you. As I don't know any of you personally I can't do that.

But I can't concede that Christians don't participate in the greed and over-consumption that is rife throughout our country. As the statistics in the original article suggest, just living here means being in a position of extraordinary privilege, compared to most of the world.

God's word condemns greed and extols generosity, community and self-control. These are the bible's realities and any economic decisions should be made through that framework, rather than what is normal in society. The bible doesn't say we have to own property, live near our families or marry superficial women, and it doesn't condemn such decisions either.

Stephen - Just because you don't know any Christians who do struggle with greed doesn't mean they don't exist. You don't seem to be able to accept that the statistics David referred to in the original article point to a patterns of greed in the developed world. I am interested to know how you would then understand them?

David - Could you provide a source for those statistics please?

Robert - Choosing to consume less and live within one's means is not the same as being a 'hippy' as you continue to categorise me.

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Stephen Davis    20 October 2011 3:29am
Kim, I completely understand that you are not personally attacking me, in fact that never even entered my mind. All I saw from you is a point of view which I respect fully but in parts disagree with, it is the same thing with some of David's commentary. Also, nowhere did I say or imply that I do not know any Christians who struggle with greed, in fact, if you read my post #5 you will see that I readily agree that we are all tainted by greed to differing extents and of course we as Christians and individuals have to watch it in our lives. Once again Kim, you have not properly read my comments, I said absolutely nothing about accepting the statistics per se, but David's seeming implication that if we have anything to our names then we are greedy! For all I know, the 90% could be absolutely spot on as far as resource allocation but that still does not indicate a 100% instance of greed and I would defy you or anyone else to come up with conclusive proof that it does!

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