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When simple self help doesn’t help’¦.
Nicky Lock
March 14th, 2010

A friend of mine was completely perplexed. He was trying so hard to be the loving husband, putting in place a strategy he had learnt through some Christian "self help" literature.

The advice, written by a woman, was about how men should respond to their wives in the midst of a fairly heated argument. Men were advised that a fairly typical male response of "going to their cave" when things were getting "hot", would leave their partners feeling crushed, unloved and abandoned. So, before "leaving for the cave", he should lovingly say to his wife "I know you're really upset now, so am I.  I really love you and care for you and will come back and talk about this later."

Some days later he tried this in the midst of one of their arguments. Was his wife soothed by this remark? Not at all! A passionate woman, her retort was "How dare you make assumptions about how I'm feeling right now. You have absolutely no way of knowing what I am feeling and I'm really angry that you presume to think you do!" The argument then turned away from the original point, and was focused on her incensed response to him and him defending his actions. He left the room before it got even more heated!

What had gone wrong? Was it poor advice or not?

Probably not. But the working out of applying what seemed like a reasonable strategy highlights what complicated beings we humans are and how difficult it is to be dogmatic about the "10 steps to achieving success in ...anything" in the area of human relationships.

We catch glimpses of that in the variety of ways that Jesus responds to different people in what at first glance look like the same situation - a healing might involve physical touch or a call to repentance. It appears that Jesus could see what was in people's hearts and allowed that knowledge to shape the way he dealt with them - no one size fits all reaction from him.

So for us, when taking on board good ideas about how to be in relationship, we need to practice the skill of empathy, attempting to see the world through the other person's eyes, to feel it through their heart, before we apply any tips from others about the best way to do things.

We strive to get to know our partners and remember what their sensitivities are and take that into account when in conversation with them. This is an ongoing process as we and our partners will change over time and we cannot assume that what was right for them 5 years ago is still right for them today.

Every now and again I hear the exasperated response from my long standing husband "Well you've really surprised me today by... You've never done/wanted that before!"

And as I write, I am wondering how many male readers will be going "you see - women really are IMPOSSIBLE to understand!". What are your experiences?

Philip Ross Pogson    14 March 2010 10:16pm
A good reminder that any deep relationship including our relationship with God must be an active one and conducted in authentic dialogue. God knows when we are using a line on Him, so do our life partners. An individual item on a Ten Tip list for solving problems may be correct in general and inappropriate in particular. This is especially the case in marriage where ways of relating and addressing issues between partners - or NOT addressing them - are well established. We know each other well and implicitly know also when one or other partner is being condescending. As to male responses to the "women are impossible" question, I think I am a very difficult male with lots of layers and sensitivities and deep emotions...not easy at all for my wife to deal with. Yet she forgives me whether I deserve it or not. At our wedding my father chose the verse "do not let the sun go down on your anger" for his reading and its the best advice for any marriage. Say sorry first! Thanks for the thoughts Nicky.

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David Palmer    15 March 2010 12:31am
May I suggest if we are talking about married persons we start by dropping the word partners and start using the language of husband and wife. Partners short changes the relationship that exists between man and wife, certainly the Biblical blueprint for such a relationship.

Secondly, I think husband and wife need to keep going back to the Biblical pattern of husband and wife relating together - hopefully we know the Biblical passages.

A couple more: Mark 1:15, noting the use of the present tense remains true for marriages as well the various sayings in Proverbs, e.g. 14:29, 15:1 and of course Eph 4:26.

It might be hard to remember texts like these in the heat of the moment, but unless married couples, as husbands and wives, have meditated upon them and seek God's forgiveness and enabling, marriages will struggle.

For what it's worth my wife and I have been married 41 years (and we married young), the earliest years were the hardest, but when you get into your sixties you know it was worth it. Be encouraged, persevere!

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Philip Ross Pogson    15 March 2010 7:42am
Dear David, thank you for your comment. Please accept that my use of the word "partner" in my response as an Internet shortening of the the longer term "marriage partner" or "husband or wife". Perhaps you jumped to a conclusion here as I also use the terms marriage and wife and do not normally use the term partner in conversation. I am interested to know what it is that makes you think neither Nicky and myself don't have in mind the Biblical pattern of husband and wife relating together or are unaware of key verses? I certainly referred to a key text that has been important to my life.

It is helpful perhaps to keep in mind the broader context of an web posting. Nicky wrote a short piece making some observations and asking some open questions. I responded to them with a view to prompting other comments. I was not seeking marriage advice or advice on doctrine but seeking to stimulate a useful conversation with fellow Christians. Philip

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Michael Canaris    15 March 2010 9:55am
Please accept that my use of the word "partner" in my response as an Internet shortening of the the longer term "marriage partner" or "husband or wife".
Along those lines, how about "spouse"?

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David McKay    15 March 2010 11:11am
Spouse is a horrible-sounding word.
Partner has quite a nice connotation in the context of marriage, but it can also mean "the person I'm currently sleeping with."

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Michael Canaris    15 March 2010 11:28am
... or one of a professional firm's owners.

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David Palmer    16 March 2010 1:13am
Hi Philip and Nicky,

It is always a problem on forums knowing exactly what is in the back of a person's mind.

I was reacting against a trend I have observed amongst Christians, maybe younger ones, of using the language of the day reflecting those current patterns David McKay references. I think as Christians we need to push hard against the loss of language appropriate to the man woman relationship common amongst Christians and ultimately derived from the Bible and/or confessional statements.

My point about citing Bible texts was that I think the Bible more helpful than self-help literature. Not only that but both people in Nicky's story I suggest, in their calmer moments, need to grapple with the Bible's advice re relationships. I probably should have bitten my tongue (or pencil lead) and moved on to the next post without commenting.

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Caroline Robertson    16 March 2010 2:57am
David P,

This reminds me that I have a sermon tape from some years back at SYPC, in which the preacher uses the word "partner" to describe someone's wife, and it sounds lovely and full of meaning. So I think I'm with David McKay on this one, that it can be used well in the context of marriage.

But it is a word that I tend to avoid using of my own husband (except in the sense of business partner) because I think that the word has been debased.

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Nicky Lock    16 March 2010 7:06am
@ David et al. Thanks for your comments re my use of the word "partner". They have helped me to clarify my use of that word. Whilst the setting of this blog appears to be the marriage relationship, I believe it can apply more broadly than that, as Philip refers to in our relationship with God and in other relationships. In a broader context, the use of the word "partner" can be more inclusive. In addition, I am happy to accept society's use of the word "partner" as a generic term that relates to long term committed relationships, which in a Christian context of course refers to marriage relationships. This is in line with the findings a recent ABC program discussing the evolution of the English language, a movement that is restricted in other languages e.g French.
@ Philip - I am interested in your extension of my comments to the need for our relationship with God to be an active, authentic dialogue. I can lose sight of the uniqueness of my personal relationship with Him if I get caught in legalism or in following the most recent exhortation from the preacher blindly and not prayerfully. Thanks for the stimulation to think this through more carefully (and prayerfully!)

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